Tuesday, August 23, 2005

On Music (for real this time)

It was asked, What music does a female Engineer listen to? Since I graduated from High School in the mid nineties, most of the music I like is from that time period: Alice in Chains, Tool, Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Black Crows, Sarah McLachlan, Stabbing Westward, Weezer, Counting Crows. The summer after I graduated I got a job at a small Land Surveying Company doing drafting work from 4:00 pm to midnight. Most of the people I worked with were kids my age that had taken drafting in High School. They introduced me to Rage Against the Machine, for which I am truly grateful. Sing it with me:

Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me!

One of the guys I worked with, Fred, was really into Techno: Orbital, The Prodigy, The Chemical Brothers, Death in Vegas, DJ Shadow, Massive Attack (the theme song to House is Teardrop by Massive Attack), Tricky, and Machines of Loving Grace. I had such a crush on Fred but, being a socially inept nerd, I had no idea what to do about it.

When I went away to college, I made friends with a girl who lived in my dorm. She introduced me to Ministry.

Lately I’ve been listening to Cake a lot. It’s upbeat and helps work go by quicker.

I think that’s enough for now. I’ll post more on the subject some other time.


Marvin | Paranoid Android said...

I'd pick techno over most of the mid-nineties music any day, but that's me.

Cake, huh? I have to admit the only cake I know is made with milk and eggs n stuff.

Higgy said...

I'm a big Ska fan, actually - I find it meets the majority of my "F*CK the world" lyric needs...

The Specials, Reel Big Fish, Bad Manners, etc...

Marvin | Paranoid Android said...

Ah, ska! So you recommend those bands, Higgy? I heard a CD from Catch 22 and liked it, but am wan (want? won?) to shell out moolah, what with already having other stuff that I don't listen to.

Trillian DBB said...

Marvin - Cake is great. The only song I can think of that got any radio play is The Distance. They did a cover of I Will Survive, too. That was around 1996

Trillian DBB said...

cake is good too

Deontologist said...

Dang, Trillian! Are you sure your female? NIN? Stabbing Westward? RAGE?!?! Even most of those sporting facial hair haven't the testosterone levels required to like such things.

I KNEW I'd be impressed. I only listen to Rage at that last part of the workday when a shot of NOS comes in handy. Right after chocolate hour (2:00-3:00).

Do you play an instrument?

Trillian DBB said...

*checks cleavage* yep, all woman. I don’t play an instrument.

Deontologist said...

OK then.

[works through checklist]

Engineer, *check* (surely you don't already have your stamp, do you?)

Nerd, *check*

Rocker, *check*

Musician? nope.

Well, you might have enough of the attributes to be worthy of exploring the absolute pinnacle of Western Society's music. I'll have to think about it. We priests of the order of elitist rock choose our prospective genre devotee's carefully.

Hmmh. Hmmmmm.

Trillian DBB said...

I can take the test to get my stamp anytime now. I just need 3 P.E.s to sign for me. I only know the one I work for. plus, I'm a scared of the responsibility implied by having a stamp.

Deontologist said...

Yea, I guess without it folks wont badger you to patch up their errors. Still, isn't 28 young for a stamp?

On the MOAT I think we have an engineer or two [checks stalker files]

Yep. Vol is. Not sure, but Christobol feels like an engineer, but he writes well so maybe not. Johnny Urinalcakes (Leetie's husband) might be some kind of engineer.

Might be others.

So you arent even curious about my snooty music? Aside from that, I think your background would make you inclined to like Beck. If you are looking for an even more poppy-techno "Tegan & Sara", you could try Tatu, the Russians. "All the things she said" is their "walking with the ghost."

Trillian DBB said...

Sure I'm curious. I do like Beck. I‘ve heard of Tatu. I like that song. I’ll look into them.

Trillian DBB said...

28 isn't too young, technically. It's a 4 year degree, then 4 years working under a P.E. it took me 6 years to get the degree because I changed majors and I was working.

Trillian DBB said...

MOTW's husband is a civil engineer too

Trillian DBB said...

Update: Tatu is far too perky for me. like Ace of Base or ABBA.

Marvin | Paranoid Android said...

hahahaha...Ace of Base. They did pretty good for only having one type of beat.

Hey, did you see that sign?

Trillian DBB said...

yup, sure opened up my eyes.

Deontologist said...

Yep. I agree on Tatu. I am not a big fan of techno, for I find it rather uncreative. Oh, and add to that criticism the fact that the "minnie mouse" voices get just a little annoying!

But I must say I do like listening to the Russian version of ATTSS and "Stars."

[notes that aversion to poppish music is another marker for a possible devotee].

Well, I guess I'll spill, but since you are not a musician (and WHY not? Hmmm?!?!), the odds are against you enjoying my snooty elitist music.

[looks both ways to see if Leetie or Lab are rolling their eyes]


The genre is called "progressive rock" or better "progressive metal."

Immensely creative, complex, symphonic. It is geek music for sure and has much of the snobbish appeal of classical music, but for headbangers.

The paragons of this are "Dream Theater."

Others and precursors might include Rush, Kansas, Yes, but noone can match Dream Theater for virtuoso playing and arrangement.

The music is complex, symphonic and epic. But it also has kick-ass edginess and catchy riffs. Songs regularly exceed the ten minute mark, but with so many movements, bridges, instrumentals, key and time signature changes song length is never noticed.

I think Leetie described it well when she said they were like a synergistic hybrid of Metallica and Yes.


Samples at: http://www.mp3.com/dream-theater/artists/13442/songs.html

But how can a short sample of a song which is long and changes thirty times suffice? If you could download one song as a sample, I'd recommend "Endless Sacrifice" from the "Train of Thought" CD.

They just released their eighth studio album, but if you had to pick one CD to sample, try "Train of Thought." The other album which is a good starter is "Images and Words." If I had those two and was looking for the third, I'd want to buy "Scenes from a memory."

Then, to listen to this you'd probably need to put on headphones in an easy chair and ingest the music the way you would super-rich literature or exquisite wine...with undivided attention.

OK. so I am a zealot. But a snobbish kind of zealot, so be flattered as you mock me.


Trillian DBB said...

I'll check them out when I get home.
Being a zealot isn't a bad thing.
Better than being one of those people who say "oh, I like a little bit of everything".
I think music is something you’re supposed to feel passionately about.

Deontologist said...

True. True.

Those people who say "oh, I like a little bit of everything" or "I have a wide range of music"

Usually it means they listen to more than two US radio stations. When I communicate with real music affectionados, I realize everyone has a fairly narrow band of music. The fact that my band of music is six percent rather than four is not really all that impressive.

So people like that should just stay humble...like I do. Er, nevermind.

So you have high speed internet at home too? And evidently some form of fileshare. Nice!

Trillian DBB said...

yup, I have DSL at home and work.

Trillian DBB said...

I downloaded a bunch of their songs. I recognize "pull me under". Great song. I'm going to buy "Train of Thought" and put it on my mp3 player so I can give it a through listen.

Deontologist said...

yea, pull me under is the only one that sorta got noticed.

I'm quite flattered that you take my recommendation seriously.

Why aren't you a musician if you are so committed to music?

Trillian DBB said...

I'm always open to trying new things.

I really don't have the creative talent needed to be a good musician.

Trillian DBB said...

Dream Theater is kinda Megadeath-y

Trillian DBB said...

I took a look at wikipedia's list of progressive rock musicians. A Perfect Circle, Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, Zeppelin, Moody blues, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, Rush, Santana, Smashing Pumpkins, Tool - all bands i enjoy

Deontologist said...

Clearly, you are intelligent. I don't know much about megadeth, but suspect I wouldn't like much.

perhaps only the vocals are similar (and I confess I like mellower vocals than DT offers...is this where I talk about Spock's Beard, Kindness of Strangers?)

You might have the makins of a prog-rocker. Although some of your picks are a bit old for you!

And as for musical instruments, how do you know?

Trillian DBB said...

good music is timeless. :)

I don't think it's the vocals, I'm not sure what it is. but it reminded me of megadeth's youthanasia album.

I could probably learn how to play an instrument, but i can't see me writing music.

Marvin | Paranoid Android said...

Progressive rock, eh? The only actual songs that WMP listed in the 'Progressive Rock' genre was 'Shine on You Crazy Diamond' and I don't have a 'Progressive Metal' section. But that's ok, I like a little bit of everything.

Except for most rap and new country and most songs from 1995 and up or before 1950s and not especially big band stuff or a lot of the Christmas Music. But other than that, yeah, I like pretty much everything.

Trillian said...

I hate country music except for Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson. I listen to a little rap, mostly just Eminem.

trillian said...

Deon - I was listening to the Dream Theater this morning and one of the songs reminded me of the music Satan plays in the Kids in the Hall sketch Bobby Torrance verses Satan.

Dream Theater is pretty good, but Tool is way better. Tool is more Sensual.

Deon said...

I've not invested the time to grasp Tool. I mean, I hear Tool tunes on the radio and they are OK, I guess.

By all reliable indicators, I should like it though.

What should I start with if I was to buy a CD?

Trillian said...

I’d go with Aenima only because my favorite song, Pushit, is on that album.
Lareralus is their latest and would be my second choice. Undertow has the songs that were big in the 90’s, Sober and Prison Sex.

Mr.Fisher said...

Excellent commentary folks. Excellent. *air guitar*

Just sayin.......

Not stayin......


Mike Weasel said...

Ahhh, paradox!!

You tell us to sing along with you, but the lyrics are Fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me! therefore we shouldn't sing along with you. But if we don't sing those lyrics, it implies that we would do what you tell us, so we should sing along...but...erg... ERROR ERROR *explodes like Star Trek computer*

Mr.Fisher said...

Good point Mikey.

Well crap, I can't stop singing now anyway, I mean right in the middle of a song? How rude.